ON PETER BREGGIN'S CONSPIRACY FACT VS. MATTIAS DESMET'S CONSPIRACY THEORY & THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY
JUXTAPOSING: PETER BREGGIN & MATTIAS DESMET (ENGLISH | AD-HOC 27 & AD-HOC 28). Corona Investigative Committee, September 14, 2022
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Juxtaposing1:f
HERE IS WHAT I POSTED (substantially rewritten for Substack) AS I WAS WATCHING THE ABOVE SESSION WHILE PETER WAS SPEAKING BEFORE DESMET CAME ON (I got Desmet’s book open on my desktop and started reading Chapter 8, lucky find, as Peter was talking):
I was alerted around September 10 by Peter’s critical writings on Desmet’s book and his recent public appearances and close relationship with Robert Malone, so when I stumbled on what appeared to be this live session of Reiner Fullmeich’s Corona Investigative Committee above, I knew I had to find out for myself if what Peter was saying was true to me. Hence my looking very closely at Desmet’s text as I listened to Peter which is what I am sharing with you below.
I had skimmed over Desmet’s book and set it aside since I found it had nothing particularly useful or new to offer me compared to Stanley Milgram’s Obedience To Authority to better understand why a majority of the world’s population obeyed the Covid-19 Authorities. What Peter motivated me to do was to focus on Desmet’s stance on the Covid-19 “Conspiracy” issue.
So Peter, thank you for alerting me and others as to HOW Desmet has (strategically?) chosen to frame the Covid1984 Global Totalitarian Takeover PlanScamdemic (hereafter, Covid1984) CONSPIRACY as “THEORY” rather than “FACT”.
WHY Desmond has chosen to do this should be a future focus of freedom lovers. Listening to Peter (and not yet to Desmet) I am now very interested in the WHY. I am not here considering what may be the valid psychological usefulness of Desmet’s mass formation theory that could help us more effectively respond to the Masses real suffering from wherever that might be coming.
Note: I put all of Desmet’s quotes in italics and bold. I put my ongoing comments in brackets [ ] .
Here are quotes from Desmet’s book to establish the HOW so we can then ponder and pursue the WHY? (from Ch.8):
“Are the leaders of the masses conspirators? Are mass formation and totalitarianism set in motion by a grand sophisticated scheme coordinated by a few people behind the scenes? One thing is certain: Throughout history, the leaders of the masses have often been perceived as conspirators. The tendency to reduce large-scale mass formation to the machination of an evil elite, however, dates back to earlier times, at least from the beginning of the Enlightenment. Should we consider mass formation the result of a conspiracy?
[Here is the CRUX, the main question Peter (and now myself) wants Desmet to answer point blank: has the Covid1984 mass formation been CAUSED (or triggered) by Conspirators (therefore, IS a Conspiracy FACT) or has the Mass Formation taken place as a kind of abreaction that was waiting to happen projecting an imaginary scapegoat of Elite Rulers (another Conspiracy THEORY)? Peter’s (and my and I hope your) claim is: Covid1984 IS a Conspiracy FACT. You are going to read below that UNEQUIVOCALLY, DESMET TAKES THE OPPOSITE POSITION, HE BELIEVES COVID1984 IS CONSPIRACY THEORY AND HAS NOT BEEN CAUSED BY THE CONSPIRATORIAL ELITE. AND THIS SHOULD SHAKE AND SHOCK YOU AS IT OBVIOUSLY HAS PETER AND NOW ME.]
In chapter 6, I explained that mass formation is largely the result of individuals being gripped by a common narrative that unites them in a heroic battle against an object of anxiety. Exactly how much this line of reason explains about the phenomenon of mass formation remains to be seen. There seems to be a real physical resonance among individuals who form a mass that cannot be explained solely on the basis of sharing the same narrative. The phenomenon has direct similarities with the way complex, dynamic systems organize themselves in nature.
[Here he butterflies off into Chaos Theory and spontaneous self-organization on the back of Le Bon and Canetti, by means of which—watch the Sleight of Mind—he less than spontaneously orders Covid1984 into a Conspiracy Theory enabling him to dispense with dealing with actual, destructive Conspirators. Physical resonance indeed, such as produced by the cop’s baton on a Canadian Convoy protestor’s head?]
This means that the crowd is not only united by the same thoughts, beliefs, and behaviors. It also seems to form a kind of physical unity, which contributes to the overwhelming impression that it is the product of an immense, planned scheme. It is not only coordination in the mental and physical movements of the crowd that make it come across as the product of a conspiracy. Its threatening nature also contributes to that impression. The crowd typically tries to impose its will on society; it seeks control over society.
[Well, here it is, under your nose (and knows) while you were distracted by his Sleights (slights?) of Mind, Shazam!, Desmet perverts LIVE to EVIL. Now the Masses (“crowd”) have spontaneously self-organized themselves into Conspirators who are trying to “impose their will” on... whom? “Society”…themselves? And then this psychotic Mass hallucinates crazy “Conspiracy Theories” of a “Plandemic” with “Predictive” Events like Event 201, Clade X, Lock Step; Bill Gates “Depopulation”; Mainstream Media all reading the same fear-porn script; quick, hand me the Thorazine of Postmodernism and the Straightjacket of Chaos Theory! Being a Voluntaryist and a reader of Lloyd deMause, I do understand trauma and triggering and Voluntary Enslavement and the masses penchant for Escaping from Freedom, but I also know the overwhelming evidence for Covid1984 Conspiracy Fact as for 9/11 Controlled Demolition. Btw, what is Desmet’s take on 9/11, anyone know this? How about the Federal Reserve and the Kennedy Assassination? Will he be a Noam Chomsky but seemingly on our side for Covid1984?]
People who are not in the grip of mass formation initially find themselves in an extremely diffuse situation that they do not understand— the phenomenon of mass formation appears absurd and bewildering to those who are not in its grip—and they feel threatened by its controlling appearance and its typical intolerance toward those who refuse to partake (see chapter 6). In this state, the confused spectator typically develops an intense need for a simple frame of reference, which allows him to mentally master the complexity, and in which to place and control the anxiety and other intense emotions that arise. An interpretation in terms of a conspiracy meets that need.
[I think being forced to get untested injections, choked for not wearing a mask, locked up and down—that is not being threatened but physically brutalized. This torturing of the facts, is screamingly ignorant and arrogant. GET THIS: PERSONS WHO ARE AGAINST COVID1984, WHO ARE THE MINORITY OUTSIDE THE MASS LIKE MYSELF AND PETER AND YOU (YES, YOU)—DESMET IS DESCRIBING AND CLASSING US AS ABOVE. Is he one of Us then in this description and classification? And if not, since he certainly is not of the Masses, is he then of the Elite? Are we “confused spectators”, driven by “anxiety” to invent, if not hallucinate, Conspiracy Theories like the psychotic Masses? GRASP FIRMLY (ouch!) THE NETTLES OF THE FACT THAT DESMET’S QUOTE JUST ABOVE AND ALL BELOW ARE ALL REFERRING TO YOU—TO MOST PERSONS READING SUBSTACKS LIKE THIS ONE and like those of Steve Kirsch, the 2nd Smartest Guy in the World, Mark Crispin Miller, et. al.
It reduces the enormous complexity of the phenomenon to a simple frame of reference: All anxiety is linked to one object (a group of people who intentionally deceives, the SUPPOSED “ELITE”) [my special emphasis] and thereby becomes mentally manageable. All blame can be placed outside oneself, with the Other and, subsequently, all the frustration and anger can also be directed at that singular object. For this reason, fanatical conspiracy thinking testifies to the almost irresistible tendency of human beings to find someone who can be held responsible in the face of adversity and can thereby be made the object of aggression.
[Note the overweening hubris here of Desmet! Now I can emotionally understand why Peter, who I think is among the gentlest of men, is admirably controlled-furious with Desmet and wants to out him from the Health and Freedom movement. And after reading Chapter 8 carefully as I am doing now, I think I might agree with him. How about you? READ DESMET’S WORDS! No Desmet, I am NOT going to blame myself for not wearing a mask, not getting gene-altering injections, not hiding in my room, not hugging others, and not standing 6 feet apart from another Human Being because I am NOT SIX FEET UNDER. No one rules, if no one obeys. I want US, who are Responsible for our Freedom, to “find someone who can be held responsible” (accountable) in the “face of our adversity” CAUSED BY THE ELITE PREDATORS who richly deserve our SELF-DEFENSIVE AGGRESSION (I never condone first use of physical force).]
As with mass formation, conspiracy theorizing fills humans with a kind of enthusiasm. The anxiety, anger, and discontent that are now associated with a few simple mental images transform a strongly negative state into a (symptomatic) positive one. Everything is now explainable by means of a simple frame of reference; the world is no longer absurd but logical; one knows where the enemy is and has a point to direct his frustration and anger on; you can absolve yourself of responsibility and forego the need to question your own self.
[I think we should feel a moral enthusiasm through facing up to the horrific Covid1984 Facts and tap that inspiration to fuel a justified fight for gaining back our freedom from the Covid1984 Conspirators and their Milgram-obedient and culpable injurers and murderers. I think we who value our freedom are being responsible for it when we direct our “frustration and anger” against the Elites and their order followers and try to connect with the Masses with kindness and understanding to get them on our side; and we should continue to, as always, question ourselves as to making sure everything is Voluntary and we never resort to first physical force.]
Ultimately, there is such fundamental distrust that many people assume that whatever “the mainstream” considers right must certainly be wrong: For example, if the mainstream story says the Earth is round, it must be flat.
[I think the actual facts to date show that we are fully justified in having a “fundamental distrust”. Those of us who followed this wise heuristic that everything the Covid1984 Establishment has dictated to us as right was wrong (and what was wrong was right) are far better off. For example, Vaccine Immunity not as effective as Natural; Remdesivir deadly, Ivermectin, life-saving, etc.]
Conspiracy thinking also leads invariably to the dehumanization of a certain group (in fact, dehumanization sometimes has to be taken literally: The elite consists of reptiles or aliens). The elite is pure evil, they intentionally make us sick through toxic substances in our food and the environment, and are responsible for brainwashing children through education for ages, and so on. In this way of thinking, the knowledge and power of the elite are easily overestimated. The elite do not struggle with the lack of knowledge that characterizes human beings, they do not doubt or hesitate, they don’t face unexpected hurdles, they do not miscalculate. They are able to manipulate all world events. Conspiracy thinking inflates the sizableness of the perceived enemy into infinity so that in the end one can only feel powerless compared to such a giant. In this way, conspiracy thinking also embodies an aspect of self-destruction.
[Hillel the Elder’s urging belongs here: “In a place where there are no humans, one must strive to be human.” The inhuman behavior of the Elites and their obedient Policedogs should make us more determined to become even more human and humane in the face of their inhumanity. Oh the low irony of Desmet pretending the ACTUAL CONSPIRACY FACTS of glyphosate damage, GMO crop failures in developing nations, increased suicides and self-harming due to school disruptions (not to mention the not only ineffective but deadly “vaccines” and the controlled demolition of the global food and energy chains) are silly CONSPIRACY THEORIES. I think most of us awake to Covid1984 (I can hear Desmet snoring) would say the “knowledge and power of the elite” has in Conspiracy Fact been vastly underestimated, not “overestimated”. Who among us would have nightmared pre2020 that such global wholesale removal of everyday human rights would have been possible as has been the case? And no, I do not feel powerless as I have not given my power to the Covid1984 Powers That Shouldn’t Be. We who have become or remained responsible for our freedom have not opted out with suicide but chosen along with Camus to be “A man who says No…[but] also a man who says Yes, from the moment he makes his first gesture of rebellion.” We are rightly rebelling against this Old/New World Dis-Order.]
“Thinking in terms of conspiracies often arises from the appeal of those psychological “benefits” more than the facts (which, of course, applies to many forms of thinking). The internal logic is often strong, but the theories often fail to meet the facts. For example, if you get to know the people who are the subject of a conspiracy theory more closely, the theory usually spontaneously loses all persuasiveness.”
[Sapere Aude! The cry of the Enlightenment should inspire us: Dare to be wise and think for yourself! From Desmet’s above words, it could be legitimately interpreted that he knows some “Elites” and thinks they are good people. And they probably are when they go home to hug their families after a hard day of managing a top end hospital that rejects a family’s pleas for Ivermectin and instead injects Remdesivir into a comatose body that has been forbidden a loved one there for protection. Instead of being a Desmet, take the time and make the effort to understand the Conspiracy Facts and Inhuman Would-be Rulers. Get to know Great Reset psychopaths like Bill Gates, where he has come from and the harm he has done, through reliable researchers like James Corbett. Let the truth persuade you to pass it on to others and try to wake them to the monstrous Covid1984 planned and executed attack on Humanity by this small group of Elite Monsters aided and abetted by their large group of conscienceless order followers. Who knows maybe Desmet may do such research one day?]
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I will end Desmet’s Sleight of Mind here. As a fellow Conspiracy Realist, read his book as Peter has done and I have done here for you under the full spotlight of Desmet’s Eyes Wide Shut refusal to acknowledge Conspiracy Facts and the Evil of the Elite.
The question that remains for me is whether Desmet’s wordplay is “A House Built on Sand” (the book on Postmodernism) of a self-deluded postmodern intellectual child playing on the shore near the Elite’s beach house or something more grown up in power and potentially, genuinely, dangerous for those who love liberty. This will be discovered when we find out Desmet’s WHY?
“The most dangerous members of our society are those grownups whose powers of influence are adult but whose motives and responses are infantile. G.B. Chisholm has said, ‘So far in the history of the world there have never been enough mature people in the right places’.” E.A. Overstreet, The Mature Mind
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POSTED AFTER LISTENING TO DESMET
I just finished listening to Desmet.
Viviane (Reiner, what happened to you?) I am not sure why you did not ask Desmet the truly hard questions, in fact just the one question which Peter was talking about, and asked you to ask. And that was: does he think there is an actual conspiracy of the Global Elite/Predators in terms of COVID-1984 as a planned event that is ongoing to exterminate a sizeable number of Human Beings while softly enslaving the rest with their 2030 Agenda. You didn’t ask him any hard questions, you let him dance around on textual interpretative points that did not come near this decisive and determining turning point.
Read the quotes from his book I left here, those are his own words.
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DESMET, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU:
Desmet, you remind me of another oxymoronic Elite EnDisabler, the “Academic Gate Keeper” (James Corbett https://www.corbettreport.com/meet-noam-chomsky-academic-gatekeeper-video/ ) Noam Chomsky who would never, will never, address 9/11 or the Federal Reserve but who insists he is on the Right Side of History’s Fence (of course, he stands on his Left leg). At least, so far, you have not condemned non-vaxxers and called for punitive measures to be taken against them as he has so Chomskyesquely (yes, I know it’s a mouthful of mush but it onomatopoeias--yes, I verbed it--just like New Noamal’s Rousseaun “Forced to be Free” circumlocutions) done (whew!). https://tinyurl.com/8wsht27s.
Read my quotes from your book that state clearly your position that you do NOT believe there is any Covid1984 Conspiracy and that those of us against the Global Predators are NOT just in our rebellion, rather, we are neurotically deluded.
Please be honest enough to state to the public that you stand by what you have written.
Then we know where you stand.
Then we will know for certain you do not stand with Us who have chosen to be Responsible for our Freedom.
And if you continue to evermore eruditely waffle in wordplay building your sandcastles on the Shores of the Elites, we will continue to out and expose your mendacious duplicity until you are shamed back to the Fence of History, the one with the broken glass on its Top Rail, so that sitting there will be an ever increasing challenge for you to not get off of it and stand on one side or the other.
Let us hope you will stop being oblivious to the obvious and confess that the Conspiracy Theory of Covid1984 is Fact and come fully over to the side of Responsibly Free Human Beings and stand against those on the Wrong Side of History (where Noam will be buried) who want to control and kill us for their own Good that we refuse to accept as ours too.
"He who is unaware of his ignorance, will only be misled by his knowledge." Richard Whately
An excellent analysis and well-written. I think you hone in on the key questions here and I hope we get to see Desmet answer them.
"The question that remains for me is whether Desmet’s wordplay is “A House Built on Sand” (the book on Postmodernism) of a self-deluded postmodern intellectual child playing on the shore near the Elite’s beach house or something more grown up in power and potentially, genuinely, dangerous for those who love liberty. This will be discovered when we find out Desmet’s WHY?"
Thank you. You clarified and expressed my concern/question.
I'm also uncomfortable with the pace in which Desmet's ascension occurred - and in no small part to Malone - who I have some unease with given his past and present associations.
I am open, don't wish to jump to rash conclusions and assume positive intent until proven otherwise. You've written, far better than I could have why we should slow down, consider the picture in a larger frame and avoid collapsing into good VS bad, right VS wrong camps.